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Wannabe Thomist's avatar

The fact that it’s poor-coded is underdiscussed.

Patrick Neve's avatar

They're the "wrong type" of poor people unfortunately

Jstone's avatar

Christian nationalism in the US advocates policy positions that worsen poverty through tax policy, cuts to social services, etc. Christian nationalists are poor in part because they largely support a politics that keeps them entrenched in poverty.

Patrick Neve's avatar

Every lib becomes a bootstraps meritocrat when it comes to white people lmao

Wannabe Thomist's avatar

My number one complaint about the extant Left is there total unwillingness to resolve the huge problem of the chronically homeless, the vast majority of whom are addicted to drugs and/or profoundly mentally ill. The only real solution is forcible institutionalization if they have no family that will become responsible for them. Their constant presence hurts the poor far more than anyone else, especially the temporarily homeless. People who oppose forcible institutionalization of the schizophrenic living on the sidewalk simply do not care about poor people. They just don’t.

Patrick Neve's avatar

No, you need to let violent drug addicts sleep on the bench outside libraries in poor neighborhoods or else you hate the Gospel

Wannabe Thomist's avatar

They also take up the relatively limited resources for the homeless, and most of them will never be anything but homeless unless they just get put in a mental hospital. If they’re actually cured of their problem or family will take responsibility, then you let them out. It can easily be done, it’s just a matter of doing it. It is 100% the best thing for everybody.

Wannabe Thomist's avatar

Even if this were true (it’s mostly not) this has nothing to do with what I said.

Joey Slope's avatar

The proles that are looked down upon for being "nationalist" are also the ones who suffer the most from underclass immigration. Wealthy people interact with immigrants by using them to drive down servile labor costs, and their kids go to school with the immigrant software engineer's kids. Where I grew up, immigrants move in and play loud Reggaeton constantly, drive down my peer's wages through competition, form gangs, and weaponize their race to get opportunities at Heritage American's expense.

I appreciate you posting this because it opposes the Replacement agenda, and I know that's an unpopular opinion among the powerful. Thank you.

TD's avatar

Who are the Christian Nationalists who are acting in good faith (or at least *good enough* faith) that the Church ought to engage with? And what ought to be the first move of bishops (other than Barron and Dolan) or the Vatican?

Dan Gass's avatar

The precise grounds of your disagreement with Schmitt is unclear to me. Uniting around shared loves requires the ability to define who is an enemy to those loves. And that is all that the concept of the political amounts to. Friendship and enmity are two aspects of a single phenomenon. It seems to me that you actually agree with Schmitt, even while you are denouncing him.

Patrick Neve's avatar

My criticism of Schmitt is that he does not adequately describe what friendship is outside of uniting against an enemy. The error is not in the distinction as such, but in the principle of national unity being the identification of an enemy.

Carlos Mendez's avatar

Fraternity created nationalism not fascism. Fascism is an ultranationalism that tries to eliminate liberalism and moderate socialism.

The Aussie Papist's avatar

They are not, the Church has condemned both socialism and liberalism on multiple occasions. Using a whataboutism to deflect from the issue of nationalism doesn't actually solve the issue.

Kristin Yoshimura's avatar

No. Christian Nationalists are not just poor. They are thriving in all denominations and they are sucking in a certain type of Catholic. You think Christian Nationalists will tolerate Catholicism if they are allowed to deeply root? Nope. There is nothing about Christian Nationalism that is compatible with Catholicism. I will not sympathize with them. I will not rally with them. Ever.

Symmachus's avatar

Why is nationalism not compatible with Catholicism? Since when have the “college educated, apolitical, suburbanite” Catholics assumed magisterial authority, or to presume that the question needn’t be asked, let alone answered?

Noodles's avatar

“The Catholic correction is that immigration will and should happen”

Why exactly should it happen?

Patrick Neve's avatar

Because people move, refugees need shelter, etc. Doesnt mean you need massive federal programs to move hundreds of thousands.

The Aussie Papist's avatar

Catholicism isn't compatible with Nationalism.

Patrick Neve's avatar

Nor socialism nor liberalism but the church manages to do what I said in the article with those ideologies

Jstone's avatar

I think the unique issue with Christian nationalism is that, besides the name, its priorities are so hopelessly misaligned with the Gospel. The primary Christian nationalist grievance that you articulate of “social/national integrity” is just not a part of Jesus’ teaching. He doesn’t give sermons about it, caution His followers regarding it, or even discuss it at all. The grievance of socialism, as you put it, (inequitable distribution of resources) is far more aligned with Jesus’ teachings on wealth.

Catholic Revert & Liturgy Nerd's avatar

The Somalians and their parallel culture were apparently over 80% on government assistance after what, 10 years? They had a chance to become citizens and failed. And we really need to have a conversation about whether any Muslims should be allowed I'm, given their wild words about taking over the country. If they want it to be a zero sum game, they got their wish.

Also, I predict that Catholic Charities and their role in this migration will give our church another black eye.

George Spanos/ Drone Drifter X's avatar

With your pope inviting all the wrong crowds. I dont think the your church will engage them.