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Wannabe Thomist's avatar

The fact that it’s poor-coded is underdiscussed.

Patrick Neve's avatar

They're the "wrong type" of poor people unfortunately

Dan Gass's avatar

The precise grounds of your disagreement with Schmitt is unclear to me. Uniting around shared loves requires the ability to define who is an enemy to those loves. And that is all that the concept of the political amounts to. Friendship and enmity are two aspects of a single phenomenon. It seems to me that you actually agree with Schmitt, even while you are denouncing him.

Patrick Neve's avatar

My criticism of Schmitt is that he does not adequately describe what friendship is outside of uniting against an enemy. The error is not in the distinction as such, but in the principle of national unity being the identification of an enemy.

Carlos Mendez's avatar

Fraternity created nationalism not fascism. Fascism is an ultranationalism that tries to eliminate liberalism and moderate socialism.

The Aussie Papist's avatar

They are not, the Church has condemned both socialism and liberalism on multiple occasions. Using a whataboutism to deflect from the issue of nationalism doesn't actually solve the issue.

Kristin Yoshimura's avatar

No. Christian Nationalists are not just poor. They are thriving in all denominations and they are sucking in a certain type of Catholic. You think Christian Nationalists will tolerate Catholicism if they are allowed to deeply root? Nope. There is nothing about Christian Nationalism that is compatible with Catholicism. I will not sympathize with them. I will not rally with them. Ever.

Symmachus's avatar

Why is nationalism not compatible with Catholicism? Since when have the “college educated, apolitical, suburbanite” Catholics assumed magisterial authority, or to presume that the question needn’t be asked, let alone answered?

Noodles's avatar

“The Catholic correction is that immigration will and should happen”

Why exactly should it happen?

Patrick Neve's avatar

Because people move, refugees need shelter, etc. Doesnt mean you need massive federal programs to move hundreds of thousands.

The Aussie Papist's avatar

Catholicism isn't compatible with Nationalism.

Patrick Neve's avatar

Nor socialism nor liberalism but the church manages to do what I said in the article with those ideologies

Catholic Revert & Liturgy Nerd's avatar

The Somalians and their parallel culture were apparently over 80% on government assistance after what, 10 years? They had a chance to become citizens and failed. And we really need to have a conversation about whether any Muslims should be allowed I'm, given their wild words about taking over the country. If they want it to be a zero sum game, they got their wish.

Also, I predict that Catholic Charities and their role in this migration will give our church another black eye.

George Spanos/ Drone Drifter X's avatar

With your pope inviting all the wrong crowds. I dont think the your church will engage them.